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		<title>Comment on Kenya elephant survey raises uncomfortable questions by Kevin Heath</title>
		<link>http://wildlifenews.co.uk/2012/kenya-elephant-survey-raises-uncomfortable-questions/#comment-370</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 10:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Were Joseph

I have to agree with you on a lot of your points. 

I&#039;ve always thought that the Kenya Wildlife Service was one of the best wildlife ranger services in the world so when this report was published with its conclusions it was something I certainly did not expect.

If the report is true and poachers are happy and comfortable working in close proximity to ranger camps in Kenya then that has to be invetigated and the reasons need to be found.

thanks
Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Were Joseph</p>
<p>I have to agree with you on a lot of your points. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought that the Kenya Wildlife Service was one of the best wildlife ranger services in the world so when this report was published with its conclusions it was something I certainly did not expect.</p>
<p>If the report is true and poachers are happy and comfortable working in close proximity to ranger camps in Kenya then that has to be invetigated and the reasons need to be found.</p>
<p>thanks<br />
Kevin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kenya elephant survey raises uncomfortable questions by WERE JOSEPH</title>
		<link>http://wildlifenews.co.uk/2012/kenya-elephant-survey-raises-uncomfortable-questions/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>WERE JOSEPH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 10:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is there an orchestrated campaign to insinuate that the KWS Rangers are corrupt and are the ones involved in the poaching of Elephants in Kenya but at the same time we acknowledge that poaching in the continent is on the increase? Wildlife news decided not to include the financial constraint that is facing KWS that was in the original report because doing so will not help their agenda. Let us be truthful. When it is alleged that KWS was compensating well, for loss of life, it was a paltry KSH 30,000 (US $400 at that times exchange rate) now it is KSH 300,000 (US $ 3700 at the current exchange rate).is it logical that people are not happy that the amount was increased? Yet there evidence that people are being paid even though they would like it to be increased. I am also of the opinion that the young man from Voi who was killed by an elephant had a bright future and cannot be worth any amount leave alone ksh 300,000. KWS on their own cannot decide to increase this amount; it has to be done by the Kenyan parliament through amendment of the relevant laws. Any attempt to bring cheap racial propaganda in such emotional issue is like adding salt to injury. 
For the allegation that KWS is not investing in the local community, have the authors of this article ever heard of the Constituency Development Fund (CDF)? They seem not to understand that before the introduction of CDF in Kenya KWS was doing that but the ruling class decided to give the mandate of such development to the local politicians. Why should someone in their right mind expect that one section of the community be treated differently that is be given CDF for development of Health Centers and schools and at the same time KWS to build schools and Health Centers. Some other parts of the country without wildlife resource also contribute to the exchequer the same way and with CDF there has been immense increase in these forms of development. I don’t know if in the United Kingdom the law allows for such discrimination. Kenyan law does not and in case it is introduced we will definitely move to court to have it declared unconstitutional.
Now we want to blame KWS when someone living next to a national park decides to excise his or her constitutional right to change from pastoral agriculture to irrigation based agriculture. This is the most absurd of all the allegations of failure by the author of this report. Could someone explain when KWS was compensating for destruction of crops and property? I do even remember one farmer from Nakuru District who took KWS to court seeking compensation for destruction of his wheat farm by birds. The argument of KWS was that those birds were not classified in law as game birds. In which country did KWS ever even compensate for injury? May be another Kenya because in my home town, there were several people maimed by Leopards, crocodiles etc nobody ever bothered with their hospital bills
I don’t want anybody to think that I am some apologist for KWS. I am not. There are some issues that I have against the manner in which parks are managed with more inclination towards economic sustainability rather than overall sustainability (including ecological and social) but I realize that there are several factors in play that blaming only one player is not fair. Take Amboseli National Park for example, the same local communities have decided to use their land to build more lodges that the park cannot sustain and KWS is obliged to allow residents of these lodges entry into the park. Any attempt to control traffic is what is causing the KWS management these systematic attacks. I DO NOT SUPORT THE ARREST OF THE ECOTOURISM SOCIETY OF KENYA’S CEO FOR THE ALLEGATIONS HE MADE. WE ALL MUST ACCEPT THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM AND ARREST IS NOT THE WAYB TO GO WHEN SOMEONE MAKES ALLEGATION. I DON’T THINK ECOTOURISM SOCIETY OF KENYA WILL REACT THE SAME WAY TO MY ALLEGATIONS THAT  OVER 90% OF THEIR MEMBERS IN KENYA ARE JUST GREEN WASHING AS THEY ARE OPERATING WITHOUT SOME OF THE LICENSES AND PERMITS REQUIRED OF THEM OR THEIR STAFF.
All said and done it is really sad that the systematic attack that has been directed toward the management of KWS has now degenerated to involve the hard working rangers in the whole country being accused of killing the same animals some of their colleagues have lost their lives protecting.
If we really care about these elephants, we should all fight to address all the factors contributing to the increase in poaching in the continent like the rapid growth of the economies that are known to be the consumers of elephant products as well as the opening up to these economies by our governments, WHAT WE SHOULD NOT DO IS TO CLAIM THAT KENYAN RANGERS ARE MORE CORRUPT LIKE THAN THEIR COUNTERPARTS IN WAR TORN COUNTIES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is there an orchestrated campaign to insinuate that the KWS Rangers are corrupt and are the ones involved in the poaching of Elephants in Kenya but at the same time we acknowledge that poaching in the continent is on the increase? Wildlife news decided not to include the financial constraint that is facing KWS that was in the original report because doing so will not help their agenda. Let us be truthful. When it is alleged that KWS was compensating well, for loss of life, it was a paltry KSH 30,000 (US $400 at that times exchange rate) now it is KSH 300,000 (US $ 3700 at the current exchange rate).is it logical that people are not happy that the amount was increased? Yet there evidence that people are being paid even though they would like it to be increased. I am also of the opinion that the young man from Voi who was killed by an elephant had a bright future and cannot be worth any amount leave alone ksh 300,000. KWS on their own cannot decide to increase this amount; it has to be done by the Kenyan parliament through amendment of the relevant laws. Any attempt to bring cheap racial propaganda in such emotional issue is like adding salt to injury.<br />
For the allegation that KWS is not investing in the local community, have the authors of this article ever heard of the Constituency Development Fund (CDF)? They seem not to understand that before the introduction of CDF in Kenya KWS was doing that but the ruling class decided to give the mandate of such development to the local politicians. Why should someone in their right mind expect that one section of the community be treated differently that is be given CDF for development of Health Centers and schools and at the same time KWS to build schools and Health Centers. Some other parts of the country without wildlife resource also contribute to the exchequer the same way and with CDF there has been immense increase in these forms of development. I don’t know if in the United Kingdom the law allows for such discrimination. Kenyan law does not and in case it is introduced we will definitely move to court to have it declared unconstitutional.<br />
Now we want to blame KWS when someone living next to a national park decides to excise his or her constitutional right to change from pastoral agriculture to irrigation based agriculture. This is the most absurd of all the allegations of failure by the author of this report. Could someone explain when KWS was compensating for destruction of crops and property? I do even remember one farmer from Nakuru District who took KWS to court seeking compensation for destruction of his wheat farm by birds. The argument of KWS was that those birds were not classified in law as game birds. In which country did KWS ever even compensate for injury? May be another Kenya because in my home town, there were several people maimed by Leopards, crocodiles etc nobody ever bothered with their hospital bills<br />
I don’t want anybody to think that I am some apologist for KWS. I am not. There are some issues that I have against the manner in which parks are managed with more inclination towards economic sustainability rather than overall sustainability (including ecological and social) but I realize that there are several factors in play that blaming only one player is not fair. Take Amboseli National Park for example, the same local communities have decided to use their land to build more lodges that the park cannot sustain and KWS is obliged to allow residents of these lodges entry into the park. Any attempt to control traffic is what is causing the KWS management these systematic attacks. I DO NOT SUPORT THE ARREST OF THE ECOTOURISM SOCIETY OF KENYA’S CEO FOR THE ALLEGATIONS HE MADE. WE ALL MUST ACCEPT THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM AND ARREST IS NOT THE WAYB TO GO WHEN SOMEONE MAKES ALLEGATION. I DON’T THINK ECOTOURISM SOCIETY OF KENYA WILL REACT THE SAME WAY TO MY ALLEGATIONS THAT  OVER 90% OF THEIR MEMBERS IN KENYA ARE JUST GREEN WASHING AS THEY ARE OPERATING WITHOUT SOME OF THE LICENSES AND PERMITS REQUIRED OF THEM OR THEIR STAFF.<br />
All said and done it is really sad that the systematic attack that has been directed toward the management of KWS has now degenerated to involve the hard working rangers in the whole country being accused of killing the same animals some of their colleagues have lost their lives protecting.<br />
If we really care about these elephants, we should all fight to address all the factors contributing to the increase in poaching in the continent like the rapid growth of the economies that are known to be the consumers of elephant products as well as the opening up to these economies by our governments, WHAT WE SHOULD NOT DO IS TO CLAIM THAT KENYAN RANGERS ARE MORE CORRUPT LIKE THAN THEIR COUNTERPARTS IN WAR TORN COUNTIES.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kenya elephant survey raises uncomfortable questions by Zyna van der Merwe</title>
		<link>http://wildlifenews.co.uk/2012/kenya-elephant-survey-raises-uncomfortable-questions/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>Zyna van der Merwe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 08:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you for sharing! Its shocking to see how far curruption can take a human, without any regrads, now soul !!!! hope that  there are one that stands up and say &quot;no more&quot; !!!!! scrutinaise the people who we are suppose to trust!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for sharing! Its shocking to see how far curruption can take a human, without any regrads, now soul !!!! hope that  there are one that stands up and say &#8220;no more&#8221; !!!!! scrutinaise the people who we are suppose to trust!!!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on APP to stop natural forest clearance on 1st June by Kevin Heath</title>
		<link>http://wildlifenews.co.uk/2012/app-to-stop-natural-forest-clearance-on-1st-june/#comment-365</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 08:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi 

I have to agree with you to a certain extent on green groups such as Greenpeace and others. 

They are becoming a little boring and annoying in the way that they operate. They are far more interested in raising funds than trying to make constructive arguments to help sustainable development and poverty prevention.

The only really positive things I can say - at least from the UK perspective - is that the membership of these groups is getting older with time as young people turn away from joining them because it&#039;s killing their future hopes and aspirations of good jobs and affordable housing.

Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi </p>
<p>I have to agree with you to a certain extent on green groups such as Greenpeace and others. </p>
<p>They are becoming a little boring and annoying in the way that they operate. They are far more interested in raising funds than trying to make constructive arguments to help sustainable development and poverty prevention.</p>
<p>The only really positive things I can say &#8211; at least from the UK perspective &#8211; is that the membership of these groups is getting older with time as young people turn away from joining them because it&#8217;s killing their future hopes and aspirations of good jobs and affordable housing.</p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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		<title>Comment on APP to stop natural forest clearance on 1st June by EdBek</title>
		<link>http://wildlifenews.co.uk/2012/app-to-stop-natural-forest-clearance-on-1st-june/#comment-364</link>
		<dc:creator>EdBek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 08:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s been happening over the last six years is the plantations have been maturing.

APP plants 500,000 trees a day as part of its sustainability programme. You never seem to mention that. You will know that APP is set to build the world&#039;s largest mill in southern Sumatra to harvest the plantations that are about to mature there. I would have thought you&#039;d be celebrating that. You should also be aware that the forestry industry contributes $21 billion to the country&#039;s GDP (of which 15.3% is agriculture compared to the UK&#039;s 0.7%). Also, 18 million people are dependent on the sector for work.  You can&#039;t just say no to this industry because you don&#039;t like the tree species in the plantations. Don&#039;t forget 50% of Indonesians live on less than $2 goods and service a day. Your TV subscription is probably more than that. What&#039;s interesting to me is the environmentalists never credit these companies for their sustainability programmes. 

If Greenpeace wants to impose its sustainability standards on the Indonesian government, then it needs to engage at that level and start using the appropriate language. It can&#039;t keep spouting the donation-seeking stuff it does and then expect a seat at an influential negotiating table.

(I&#039;m not sure you should hold GAR up as a poster child either. You might want to look at the ministry&#039;s report on their activities last year.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s been happening over the last six years is the plantations have been maturing.</p>
<p>APP plants 500,000 trees a day as part of its sustainability programme. You never seem to mention that. You will know that APP is set to build the world&#8217;s largest mill in southern Sumatra to harvest the plantations that are about to mature there. I would have thought you&#8217;d be celebrating that. You should also be aware that the forestry industry contributes $21 billion to the country&#8217;s GDP (of which 15.3% is agriculture compared to the UK&#8217;s 0.7%). Also, 18 million people are dependent on the sector for work.  You can&#8217;t just say no to this industry because you don&#8217;t like the tree species in the plantations. Don&#8217;t forget 50% of Indonesians live on less than $2 goods and service a day. Your TV subscription is probably more than that. What&#8217;s interesting to me is the environmentalists never credit these companies for their sustainability programmes. </p>
<p>If Greenpeace wants to impose its sustainability standards on the Indonesian government, then it needs to engage at that level and start using the appropriate language. It can&#8217;t keep spouting the donation-seeking stuff it does and then expect a seat at an influential negotiating table.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m not sure you should hold GAR up as a poster child either. You might want to look at the ministry&#8217;s report on their activities last year.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on APP to stop natural forest clearance on 1st June by Reece Turner, Greenpeace</title>
		<link>http://wildlifenews.co.uk/2012/app-to-stop-natural-forest-clearance-on-1st-june/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>Reece Turner, Greenpeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 19:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing very new in APP&#039;s &quot;new&quot; forest protection policy
Blogpost by Bustar Maitar, Forest Campaigner, Greenpeace SEA - May 15, 2012 at 12:26Add comment
The news initially sounded  intriguing : Asia Pulp and Paper (APP) was inviting journalists in Jakarta to the launch of what the company grandly dubbed its “greatest commitment to natural forest protection.”
Discarding the PR gloss, however, leaves an announcement that exposes glaring gaps in APP’s ‘new’ policy and demonstrates that the company is still not serious about reform.
APP, which has been linked to illegal logging and the clearance of Sumatran tiger habitat, unveiled in in its press conference on Tuesday what it claimed were new measures to protect high conservation value forests (HCVF) in Indonesia.
Starting from June 1, the company said it would “suspend natural forest clearance while HCVF assessments are conducted” in areas “owned” by the company.
That of course sounds good on paper. The problem is, however, we’ve heard that before from APP.
In fact, an advertisement that APP ran in the New York Times newspaper dating back to 2006, called ‘Conservation beyond Compliance’ reads remarkably similar. 
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/makingwaves/nothing-very-new-in-apps-newforest-protection/blog/40440/
 
The question that APP still needs to answer is: what has been happening for the past six years if it was already committed to protecting HCV forests back in 2006? The answer is: not a lot.
Investigations have indicated that APP has continued receiving timber from the clearance of natural forests, including those of high conservation value. In fact, as the NGO coalition Eyes on the Forest has reported, APP has even cleared areas previously identified as high conservation value forests by third parties. See page 9 of the report.
Still, this has not stopped APP from repeatedly making the same false claim that it is committed to protecting HCV forests.
Just last year, APP managing director Aida Greenbury, who chaired the Jakarta press conference earlier on Tuesday, promised that “any land which is to be converted must not contain High Value Conservation Forest.” Again, lovely words, but not matched by action.
So, given the company’s track record, it’s difficult to see today’s announcement either as ‘new’ or something that can be welcomed as real progress.
Look at the fine print also. APP says the new commitments will apply to areas “owned” by APP.  So how much of the supply chain does it actually own? Rather inconveniently, or perhaps conveniently for APP, no information or supporting evidence has been provided to answer that question.
What’s worse is that we have heard previously that it claims to control less than half of its supply chain. So what is it exactly?
In the end, APP would have been better advised to follow the approach taken by palm oil producer Golden Agri Resources (GAR), also part of the Sinar Mas Group. GAR had introduced a forest conservation policy last year that committed the company to not develop its plantations on forests or peatland.
So if APP wanted to convince customers and other stakeholders that it’s really changing, why didn’t it follow GAR’s lead?
Instead, the company has thrown away a perfect opportunity to convince them that it is serious about reform. The losers continue to be Indonesia’s forests and peatlands, as well as the reputation of Indonesia’s forest sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing very new in APP&#8217;s &#8220;new&#8221; forest protection policy<br />
Blogpost by Bustar Maitar, Forest Campaigner, Greenpeace SEA &#8211; May 15, 2012 at 12:26Add comment<br />
The news initially sounded  intriguing : Asia Pulp and Paper (APP) was inviting journalists in Jakarta to the launch of what the company grandly dubbed its “greatest commitment to natural forest protection.”<br />
Discarding the PR gloss, however, leaves an announcement that exposes glaring gaps in APP’s ‘new’ policy and demonstrates that the company is still not serious about reform.<br />
APP, which has been linked to illegal logging and the clearance of Sumatran tiger habitat, unveiled in in its press conference on Tuesday what it claimed were new measures to protect high conservation value forests (HCVF) in Indonesia.<br />
Starting from June 1, the company said it would “suspend natural forest clearance while HCVF assessments are conducted” in areas “owned” by the company.<br />
That of course sounds good on paper. The problem is, however, we’ve heard that before from APP.<br />
In fact, an advertisement that APP ran in the New York Times newspaper dating back to 2006, called ‘Conservation beyond Compliance’ reads remarkably similar.<br />
<a href="http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/makingwaves/nothing-very-new-in-apps-newforest-protection/blog/40440/" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/makingwaves/nothing-very-new-in-apps-newforest-protection/blog/40440/</a></p>
<p>The question that APP still needs to answer is: what has been happening for the past six years if it was already committed to protecting HCV forests back in 2006? The answer is: not a lot.<br />
Investigations have indicated that APP has continued receiving timber from the clearance of natural forests, including those of high conservation value. In fact, as the NGO coalition Eyes on the Forest has reported, APP has even cleared areas previously identified as high conservation value forests by third parties. See page 9 of the report.<br />
Still, this has not stopped APP from repeatedly making the same false claim that it is committed to protecting HCV forests.<br />
Just last year, APP managing director Aida Greenbury, who chaired the Jakarta press conference earlier on Tuesday, promised that “any land which is to be converted must not contain High Value Conservation Forest.” Again, lovely words, but not matched by action.<br />
So, given the company’s track record, it’s difficult to see today’s announcement either as ‘new’ or something that can be welcomed as real progress.<br />
Look at the fine print also. APP says the new commitments will apply to areas “owned” by APP.  So how much of the supply chain does it actually own? Rather inconveniently, or perhaps conveniently for APP, no information or supporting evidence has been provided to answer that question.<br />
What’s worse is that we have heard previously that it claims to control less than half of its supply chain. So what is it exactly?<br />
In the end, APP would have been better advised to follow the approach taken by palm oil producer Golden Agri Resources (GAR), also part of the Sinar Mas Group. GAR had introduced a forest conservation policy last year that committed the company to not develop its plantations on forests or peatland.<br />
So if APP wanted to convince customers and other stakeholders that it’s really changing, why didn’t it follow GAR’s lead?<br />
Instead, the company has thrown away a perfect opportunity to convince them that it is serious about reform. The losers continue to be Indonesia’s forests and peatlands, as well as the reputation of Indonesia’s forest sector.</p>
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		<title>Comment on APP to stop natural forest clearance on 1st June by EdBek</title>
		<link>http://wildlifenews.co.uk/2012/app-to-stop-natural-forest-clearance-on-1st-june/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>EdBek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 09:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Indonesian company APP has been planting about 200M a trees a year (more than half a million trees a day) as part of its sustainability programme, so moves like this have been in the planning for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Indonesian company APP has been planting about 200M a trees a year (more than half a million trees a day) as part of its sustainability programme, so moves like this have been in the planning for years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 10 top zoos and wildlife parks to visit this summer by Tom</title>
		<link>http://wildlifenews.co.uk/2011/10-top-zoos-and-wildlife-parks-to-visit-this-summer/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 06:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colchester zoo is also a great one, loads of exhibits and things to do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colchester zoo is also a great one, loads of exhibits and things to do</p>
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		<title>Comment on China receives CITES commendation for wildlife trafficking fight by Judith Muller</title>
		<link>http://wildlifenews.co.uk/2012/china-receives-cites-commendation-for-wildlife-trade-actions/#comment-355</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith Muller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 12:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very encouraging to see the Chinese Government taking responsibility for the gruesome impact their people have had on Africa and its environment.  The people of Southern Africa are standing together against their ruthless and blatant disregard for nature and all life forms on our planet and we will not stand for this any longer under any circumstances.  Let this be clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very encouraging to see the Chinese Government taking responsibility for the gruesome impact their people have had on Africa and its environment.  The people of Southern Africa are standing together against their ruthless and blatant disregard for nature and all life forms on our planet and we will not stand for this any longer under any circumstances.  Let this be clear.</p>
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		<title>Comment on BBC Planet Earth Live fails to rev up my interest by Bill Crab</title>
		<link>http://wildlifenews.co.uk/2012/bbc-springwatch-global-fails-to-rev-up-my-interest/#comment-352</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Crab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 20:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just realised that subconsciously i kept switching off every time hammond grabbed the attention of the camera...i got a good memory of the monkeys but no a single thing of what he said . bbc...please take him out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just realised that subconsciously i kept switching off every time hammond grabbed the attention of the camera&#8230;i got a good memory of the monkeys but no a single thing of what he said . bbc&#8230;please take him out</p>
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